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Jenni O.
Great update and photos, love the dog, and it's always nice to hear horse care tips. I re-read your snowstorm story and it is still funny. What we do for horses. We truly are crazy.
Heike B
haven't posted on Holli in a while - but we had so much fun with her this week I can't help it!  She gave my 13 y.o. niece two a-maz-ing rides in the snow, and made her a horse lover for life, I think!  She wasn't on a horse since she was about 5.  Best of all, Holli is feeling great.  We're still playing with her trim, and have added a second pad with a hint of an elevated heel and she seems to be feeling good - offering to trot and canter.  Those two were having too much fun.  Yesterday she gave Tracy's daughter an awesome ride too.  I just couldn't ask for a nicer horse!
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Jenni O.
Love the update, and glad she is doing so well and making people so happy. She's definitely in the right place.
awesome update!  glad to hear that Holli is feeling good and being such a wonderful horse ambassador!
I just had to share a picture of Holli's newest biggest fan. She is such a great horse for all the kids to be around, and made Greyson's first ride just awesome!

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Diane B
So cute!!  Love seeing kids and horses together!
Jane Liess
OMG, that's too cute!
Jenni O.
That's so cute! Greyson's even got the heels down part mastered.
Heike B
Well it seems all of the most interesting things that happen around our place involve Holli!  Have had a couple of experiences I thought you guys might enjoy, so here goes: 

A couple of weeks ago, we tacked Holli up to ride - aussie saddle, and right at the hitching post, she pulled back once hard, and then a couple of minutes later, just laid flat out on the ground.  She laid there, calmly, for a few minutes while I tried to get the saddle off before she rolled over on it.  Eventually, she just stood back up.  Since I had NO idea what that was about, and she seemed OK, I decided to switch out her tack and try again (mainly so that no harm would come to the Aussie saddle, which is Tracy's).  This time, english saddle, different girth.  Again, a few minutes after tacking up, she just lays right back down on the ground.  Spent about 5 minutes there, not getting up, and then calmly stood back up.  At that point, I just put her away and called Scott.  Who proceeded to get a good laugh about all of the crazy things horses do (after establishing that she was OK).

Well, Scott, Karen, and I were all at a loss, but he did mention that they had a horse who would do that if he was cinched up too tight, constricting the blood vessels along the belly.  It seemed like a stretch, considering that I had used two different sets of tack, and I'm probably not strong enough to cinch too tight even if I wanted to.  But the more I thought about it, the saddles were sitting kind of far back on her, so the girth was not behind her leg, but a few inches back, so, as she showed no other symptoms at all of anything else, I'm going to call that the likely culprit, and we now only put our western saddle with rope cinch on her that fits and positions properly.

The following week, I took my neice's boyfriend on a ride, with him on Holli.  I sort of neglected to mention the recent events described above, as he is more of a beginner and might not be thrilled to hear that his mount was randomly laying down while tacked up.  Well the ride was great, reinforcing the tack/cinch theory, but the funny thing was that Tracy's goat, Spark, came with us.  He's about 7 months old and somehow started out with us.  He bleated and cried the whole way (about an hour ride), because he's never been so far from the barn and his other buddies, but he kept up fine (and must have been too scared to just run back to the barn).  By the way, a bleating goat is a great way to scare off any deer or turkey long before they can jump out and spook your horse, although it's the first time I wished I brought ear plugs on a ride.

Just a few pictures:

1) Holli relaxing (or passed out??!!) during tacking up
2) The goat on the trail ride - about 20 minutes in
3) The goat, about 50 minutes in, still hanging on!
4) The goat, right after the ride.

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I am holding my sides - with both laughter and amazement!

These are some of the best pictures I have ever seen, I was proud of my dog staying on trail with us and you have a goat that does this??? You are my new hero.  Can you find me a goat, I think it would complete our little herd.

That is so funny about laying down after you tack-up, well would not be for me as I have a western and Pickles would break something on the saddle or himself or me.

I am thinking there is market here, trail goats [crazy]  Don't leave home without one

Funny pics and description!  It sure is alarming behavior though.    
Be sure to let us know if you do decide to try that new drug that has worked so well for navicular, we are sure interested in hearing from anyone who does.  

You can tell John hasn't been on our MHWF rides around here... I think there is always a goat or two with and at camp.  [smile]  Even goats who sleep in tents.  LOL!  I love goats, they really are a hoot.  
Donna R
Hilarious update about a special horse!  Can hardly imagine that ride with the goat bleating all the way.  Each ride is unique in its own way but that one will really stand out in your memory book! 
Jenni O.
So funny! All of it! Holli laying down is amusing, once you get over the scary part, but the picture of that darn goat going along for the whole ride cracked me up. The bleating would've driven me insane, but it's always funny when it happens to someone else.
You know what???  I had an arab mare that did that.  With only one saddle, and someone told me that now and then you get a horse who if the saddle/girth pinches...they lay down.  She did it only with 1 saddle and not any others.  It is the strangest and scarest thing.  LOVE the goat...so funny!!  I can hear the screaming goat in my mind...LOL
I cannot swear to it but I think Holli is even smirking in the first pic. If not for the pictures it would be hard to believe. Way too funny...............although I am sure at the time a laugh was the furthest thing from your mind.
Oh Heike, that is an awesome update! Glad all is well, but that had me smiling. All you are missing is a freak snow storm
Isn't there a significant blood vessel that runs right about the height of the shoulder? I was at a saddle fitting clinic a couple months ago and the person who gave it showed us where to be careful that the cinch ring doesn't lay so it doesn't press on that blood vessel. He said it can lay above or below the vessel but not on it. That was something new I learned. No one had ever told me that before. Not saying that's the problem but thought I would mention it.
This has to be ONE of the funniest I have ever read... *Holli* resting, and the goat after the ride....PRICELESS now that the ride is OVER.[rofl] Love the photos. 
I have been trying to talk Donna and Len R. into a goat for a few years (I am so selfish, I just want to stop by and say hi to the critters as we ride by - besides I think Donna and Len's grandkids would enjoy a goat    [thumb] if you agree?)

I think I told this story prior; wake up at camp and I can hear a kid yelling for dad at day-break, what the heck???  I was not a two legged kid but rather the 4 legged kind.  Da-aa-aa-d Da-aa-aa-d Da-aa-aa-d  cutest lil goat ever and followed his dad all over camp.  Hopefully can make it out this fall and someone will bring their goat.  Did not mean to hijack Heike
Heike B
Anyone else dealing with Navicular or given Osphos for it?  Holli is about 25 years old and apparently has had it forever.  Last fall I discussed using Osphos (newly approved drug for reversing navicular - see Karen and Scott's comments about it on other threads) - with my farrier.  He wasn't sure how much it would help as he feels much of Holli's discomfort is in the fetlocks and knees.  But then during spring vet, my vet really thought Holli showed classic signs of navicular pain and we also reviewed her last x-rays (October 2013), which did not show signs of ringbone.  So, we went ahead and treated her.  My vet said some horses will colic lightly right after it's given but they've never had to treat for colic.  Holli kicked her belly once and that was it.  They also tend to show marked improvement in about two weeks.  She advised me to keep Holli on her Previcox regimen for the next month but then to stop it and see how she is doing. So, this is a cliff hanger post - won't know the results for a while, and I likely won't get follow up x-rays done until fall. But I'm curious if anyone else has tried it?
Scott: MHWF
Thanks for getting in touch with us today. We are delighted to hear that you are trying this and we are also really excited to see updates on her improvement!

Thank you Heike!
Good luck with the new treatment...keeping fingers crossed for awesome results.
Definitely keep us posted. We have an 18 year old. QH gelding that has had Navicular most of his life also. Would like to know how it goes.
Heike B
Just for the record, besides how Holli feels, to see if this ends up being beneficial economically, I'm spending about $40/month for Previcox (for pain/discomfort), and about $20.00 every 6 weeks for shoeing (above and beyond trim charges).  The Osphos was $334. I know you can get it cheaper at Valley Vet, but my vet was there and so was the drug so in the interest of getting it done, and not having it turn into something I "intend" to do, I had my vet do it.  If this is successful, in theory I can eliminate both the shoes, and the Previcox.  However, at Holli's age, she may have arthritis and stiffness to need/benefit from Previcox even if the Navicular improves.  With a younger horse I would think that would not be the case.
We are really thrilled to hear that you are giving the Osphos a try, Heike.  As you know, we had fantastic results from it with Glory, the appy who had navicular and couldn't be ridden due to the problems she had from the navicular.  Glory has been sound as can be, is being ridden, shoe-less and doing fantastic.  Of course Glory is younger, and that is why we felt it SO important as well to try and avoid bigger problems down the road for her.  

As an aside, I would always recommend that people have a vet there to administer the drug just in case of a reaction, then the vet is right there to address that immediately.  We did order ours cheaper from Valley Vet with a prescription from our vet, but then had the vet administer it while he was here anyway.  Glory had zero side effects and has done great.  

I really hope this helps Holli!  
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