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We had a very big vet day at MWHF on Saturday, April 2nd.  It was such a big day and big deal that we will go over the whole event on it's own separate thread and page.  I will just update regarding Teddy here on his thread.  

Teddy is now a gelding!  Yes, the little man went through his surgery just fine on Saturday and is doing very well.  Not only that, but the weaning process has also begun.  We are doing our best through this phase with our set-up and trying to accomplish this.  With Teddy's mother, Lady, being blind this brings a whole new set of circumstances to this process and her safety is priority.  We have had to do some temporary remodeling to a couple of our stalls, covering the open panel parts on the top half of 2 stalls so that Lady could not feel any openings at all with her nose and then try to jump out (which she did attempt when we tried to put her in a stall the first time).  

I should mention that Lady has a new adoptive home to go to as soon as this weaning process is over and Lady is adjusted and safe to handle for her adopter.  In this process of weaning and getting Lady ready for adoption, we also had to pair Lady up with another horse who she would get along with and she can leave here with to go to her new home with.  We tried Penny out in that role and it did not work at all.  Penny and Lady did not get along, as a matter of fact, didn't even like each other at all.  We had to find a horse who not only gets along with Lady, but would also be a good match for the adopter as well.  We have gotten to know Phoenix and he is a doll to handle and be around, and thought we would give it a try with him.  This has gone better than we could have dreamed.  Phoenix gets along with Lady and Teddy both, and we are think that Phoenix and Lady were probably pastured together at some point in their past (we are also about 99% sure that Phoenix is Teddy's sire, so that would back up our theory of Lady and Phoenix having been together at some point).  This was the answer to our dreams of a good scenario.  Phoenix, Lady and Teddy pretty much instantly hit it off well.  It has been nice to have Phoenix in with Teddy and Lady in the respect that he will discipline the youngster like an elder should, whereas Lady does not do that probably due to her blindness, so Teddy has in turn learned a lot more in horse language that people cannot teach.  

Now fast forward to the big vet day and Teddy getting gelded.  This was also our big move to start the weaning process now that Lady has a horse that she matches with to help her through this as well.  With Lady being blind, we have no choice but to stall her through this process, because she would crash and run through any type of containment system that isn't a solid wooden stall that goes from floor to ceiling.  After Teddy's geld surgery, we kept him in a stall next to Lady (Lady had her teeth floated as well on vet day and was sedated for that, so this helped through the initial process of separation right off the bat).  Lady is in the first stall in the barn, Teddy in the next and then Faith next to Teddy.  Faith has a job to do here as well.  The next morning after the geld surgery and all of the sedation had worn off on both Teddy and Lady, we put Faith in the ground pen first.  Then I grabbed Phoenix from out of the pasture and brought him by the barn while Scott took Teddy to the round pen to be with Faith.  I immediately put Phoenix in the stall next to Lady, and he immediately comforted her and helped tremendously to settle her down.  I think I might have cried a few tears of joy that this actually worked.  There is some calling going on now and again, mostly from Teddy, but Lady is handling this far better than we dreamed, and especially after we saw how she completely lost her mind the first time we tried to separate them even by a stall.  Phoenix has made all the difference in the world through this process to help Lady through it.  (side note:  I don't know how breeders do this, the weaning process is heartbreaking)  Aunty Faith is helping Teddy by being with him so that he does not have to be alone, and they already know each other as they have been together for some time as well.  Faith is doing a great job with Teddy as well.  So, how this is going is that at night, Lady, Teddy and Faith are in stalls and Phoenix is back out to pasture, and during the day Faith and Teddy go in the round pen and Phoenix in a stall next to Lady.  This is the best we can come up with, and it is working.  What would be ideal is if anyone who was interested in adopting Teddy would come forward and take him now....it would be perfect timing all the way around.  

I have tried not to make this too wordy, but if I've left anything out that people would like to hear about, please just ask and I'll be happy to answer.  Here are a few pictures to go along with this post, which I will also share on Lady and Phoenix' threads as well.  

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Jenni O.
You know I would take Teddy off of your hands if I could.
O what an elegant solution for all involved.  Lots of work, but really clever.  I CANNOT believe how big Teddy is already!  Almost bigger than Lady now, he's going to be as big as Hubert in a few years!   

Does Caine still play with him?
I know you would Jenni, and thank you.  [smile]  

Caine does still play with Teddy.  [smile]
Great / happy update :-)

YES! So glad to hear this is working well. Someone should snap up that little guy soon.
Scott: MHWF
I think Teddy enjoys having the girls watch over him. Enjoying some sun for a change....too lazy to get up to eat.

Kara B.
I think its safe to say he's pretty darn happy. [smile]
Jenni O.
Lily and Bambi are like, "Ugh, there's a boy dirtying up the place."
Happy pony!
Wendy W - WI
Life is good....

I get a kick out of Puff not taking a break to see what is going on.  

That little boy is so adorable and so happy.  
This is day 3 of them being together.  They have all accepted each other very well.  They did see each other a lot before we put them together with Faith and Teddy being in the round pen next to the mini's during the day.  [smile]  We were pretty surprised to see how relaxed Teddy was today...we probably should have recorded a bit of day 1 and 2 to show you all the difference (Teddy did a lot of hot laps).  [wink]
What a story this lil guy is ...  But he will always be lil "Gelfy" in my book hehehe.

An amazing job MHWF with all of this last group of equines that needed care and loving  [love]
I am going to add here what I posted on Lady's thread, since I'm not sure we really explained much of this previously:  

There is one thing that we have probably not been very clear about that a lot of people would not realize if we didn't tell them, and I will explain that a little bit now.  A lot of people thought that Teddy acted as Lady's "eyes".  That couldn't be further from the realization of what things were.  Lady, of course, was extremely attached to Teddy and probably even more so than a sighted mare, but Teddy surely didn't act as her eyes and was actually more of a detriment to her than any kind of help.  Lady was always extremely worried about where he was and always trying to "watch out" for him.  He did not do anything to help her.  A lot of people thought that it would be nice to keep Lady and Teddy together.  While that would have been super simple for us and would have taken away a lot of the work (and the time, heartache,  tears and frustrations), that would not have been the proper thing to do.  It would have been nearly impossible to teach Teddy much of anything without him getting weaned from his mom, and Lady would always been anxious about where Teddy is at any given moment.  She would lose her mind when he was more than 10-15 feet from her whenever we tried to do anything with either one of them.  It made trimming feet difficult and everything else.  We needed to buddy Lady up with a horse friend who would possibly help her, and while you cannot make another horse do that, and we failed at a couple of different attempts, Phoenix turned out to be that exact horse and he seems to understand her disability.  

Teddy is a young, sound and healthy little guy who needs to go on to be trained and we need to provide him with everything to ensure the most safe and fulfilling outcome and future for him as possible.  Weaning him from his mother and having Teddy go on to eventually be trained is the best thing we can do for him, and for Lady.  Phoenix even taught Teddy some manners in the time that he spent with Lady and Teddy both together, before we started the actual weaning process.  Lady did not teach Teddy any manners at all like a sighted mother normally would and never disciplined him for anything.  So Teddy really needed more in his life than just Lady, or he was going to grow up to be a tyrant.  Teddy has been able to live with other horses now who are really teaching him the ropes and what it means to be a good equine citizen.  [smile]  (Bambi and Lilly push him around, Puff and Teddy are equals, and Faith keeps Teddy completely in line)
Thank you (again and again) for (always) doing the right thing for the horses.  
Absolutely the right thing to do to split them up and put him with a horse to teach him how to behave.

In the video Bambi looks at Lilly and says, "Hmmm, what do you think?" Lilly, "Not sure yet." Puff adds, "Dang this hay is good."  
Teddy is doing absolutely fantastic.  It is so nice to have him weaned and we can actually work with him now without Lady losing her mind about us taking him away from her and vice versa.  

Teddy had someone interested in adopting him, but they have another young one about the same age as Teddy and have found it just would not be the best situation to take on two youngsters at the same time.  That means that Teddy is very actively looking for someone to call his own!  

Teddy stands right around 13 hands (we have not measured him, that is a guess), and he is about 9 months old now.  His geld surgery went great with zero complications and he is completely healed up from that now (thanks Suzanne!).  

Here are a couple of updated pictures of Teddy from this morning, 4/20/2016.

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Donna R
Oh my stars!  He is so CUTE!  Sorry it didn't work out with his potential adopters.  It is good that they are very conscious of what they can feasibly handle at one time. That is a lot with two young ones.  Can't wait to see who Teddy's lucky adopter will be! 
WOW! What a handsome boy!! Someone is going to get a fantastic, well-handled youngster to take in any direction they choose!!!
Scott: MHWF
He is now fully vaccinated, has a brand new 2016 Coggins, de-wormed, trimmed and he is very well behaved and super smart. He learns very, very quickly. He is going to be a very easy going and very sweet horse, just like his daddy.
Teddy is such a gorgeous boy!

[love]  Oh if only I had a place to keep him!!!! 
Sandy K
He is such a pretty boy , and smart !
Jenni O.
He is adorable! Still. Or maybe he's getting too old to be called adorable. Too bad about the people interested in him, but two at that age would be a big time commitment for the average person. I used to think I would never want something under a few years of age, but I think my mind has changed on that. A young horse with the right mindset would be a fun project. Hope he gets adopted soon.
Quote Jenni; "I used to think I would never want something under a few years of age, but I think my mind has changed on that. A young horse with the right mindset would be a fun project"

My question is Jenni; when are you picking the lil lad up?  [crazy]
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